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Offshore Fishing Guide

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This is a guide for OFFSHORE fishing only.

The initial information I used in creating this guide, came from the original fishing guide written by solarrocker.
http://vc.igg.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=10885

I have added 6 missing cities, discovered the names of the fish in each city (Added a "new" marine product to the list), added more "other fished up items", and rearranged the cities in the same order as the Ultimate Guide To Cities.
http://vc.igg.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=21602

Though I have added shell information, this information is for fishing only.  For a complete list of shells including beach, island, and city locations go to the Updated Shell Guide:
http://vc.igg.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=25744



Basics
To begin offshore fishing:
1) make sure you have a fishing net equipped on your ship
2) Talk to the docker and select  sail "offshore"
3) sail until you are on top of, or extremely close to, a "shoal" (hold Alt key to see the words on the water)
4) stop sailing ("parking" on or nearby the shoal)
5) click the area where the word "shoal" is.  White words in chat will tell you you have started fishing.

Read further in this guide for hints and suggestions how to fish more efficiently/effectively.

Fishing net levels :

Level 1 = Skill level 1 needed for use - catches level 1, 2, 3 fish and items*
Level 4 = Skill level 31 needed for use - catches level 1 - 6 fish and items*, level 6 & 7 Eaglewood and Cold Iron
Level 7 = Skill level 61 needed for use - catches level  1 - 10 fish and items*, level 6 -10 Eaglewood and Cold Iron
Level 11 = Skill level 101 needed for use - catches level 1 - 10 fish and items*, level 6 -10 Eaglewood and Cold Iron, & Pearls

* items = timber, ore, or cloth (note; highest level item via fishing is level 8)
** see shell guide for shell level and net recommendations

Types of Marine Products:

Anchovy - LvL 1
Mullet - LvL 1
Tunny - LvL 1
Sardine - LvL 2
Swordfish - LvL 2
Chub Mackerel - LvL 3*
Cod - LvL 3
Herring - LvL 4
Mackerel - LvL 4
Electric Ray - LvL 5
Salmon, Trout - LvL 5 (yeah that counts as one Products - strange),
Sea Urchin - LvL 5
Eel - LvL 6
Ratfish - LvL 6
Sea Cucumber - LvL 6
Amphipod - LvL 7
Sea Snake - LvL 7
Sturgeon - LvL 7
Squid - LvL 7
Sea horse - LvL 8
Seaweed - LvL 8
White fin dolphin - LvL 9
Shark - LvL 10

[quote; Jacek07"] Chub Mackerel - LvL 3*

* - this one is strange - although it's only LvL 3 Marine Products the only time I caught it was in the open sea while searching for a LvL 4 discovery near Zhigu. And I've bee fishing in almost every city in the world.[/quote]


Fishing for Eaglewood & Cold Iron

When you reach high enough level of fishing skill you can catch cold iron and eaglewood - two resources needed to craft high level weapons, uniforms, special figureheads and to build these ultimate lvl 10 Tortuga ships. But be warned - this skill is very hard to raise, certainly toughest to raise of all crafting / surviving skills. ~Jacek07

In-game Names & Levels for Eaglewood (Thanks to Ranjab)
Normal Eaglewood LvL 6
Secondary Eaglewood LvL 7
High-level Eaglewood LvL 8
Superior Eaglewood LvL 9
eaglewood LvL 10
Rare Eaglewood LvL 10

In-game Names & Levels for Cold Iron (Thanks to Ranjab)
Normal Cold Iron LvL 6
Secondary Cold Iron LvL 7
High-level Cold Iron LvL 8
Superior Cold Iron LvL 9
cold iron of the deep sea LvL 10
Rare Cold Iron LvL 10

** Note that there are 2 types of level 10s.
Rare Cold Iron and Rare Eaglewood are rare even in Fishery Passport Zone.
(MUST MUST MUST have level 61+ fishing and net!
With a 31 net you will fail a lot and only get Normal and Secondary - level 6&7).

Other information you should know

When you fish, so you don't have to keep throwing fish overboard:  fill your goods compartment with trader goods!  You will still get fishing experience!
For a more detailed explanation and how to do it: read the section "How to fish for shells"
http://forum.vc.igg.com/viewthread.php?tid=25744

I will also note, you will catch single provisions and single normal Cannonballs in every city along with what is listed below.

I do not have any information on level 101 fishing.  Though I noticed a level 101 net is for sale in Seville, I do not know of or where any marine products over level 10 can be caught. (Except Pearls and Coral in passport zone)

The fish for the Seville fishing quests are caught in the HIGH SEAS fishing Shoals!
For that you need a fishing pole, bait, and a friend to tow you.
Please read these for more information:
http://vc.igg.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=26060  - Loquan's guide
http://vc.igg.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=26058 - Luke8520's guide

I suggest if you are fishing for cold iron or eaglewood, (if you can) buy a fishery passport from the item mall or other players.
Another player suggested you get an Expert or Master Labor Suit and Fishing net Maintenance level 10 before trying a Fishery Passport. " a Lv61 net seems to last close to 8hrs for me" (with the (master?)suit and maintenance level) - THEHUNTER9

Regular fishing drop time (of cold Iron and eaglewood) are few and far between and really only good if you only need one or two.
I have timed the drop of lvl 10 Rare Eaglewood and Cold Iron in the passport area as about 3 per hour.

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Fishery Passport

A Fishery passport can be bought from the item mall
   

There is only one Fishing area you can enter.

There are 2 types of shoals in the Fishing passport area.
"Special Fish"
"Shoal"

Both Shoals drop:
  • Level 6-10 Cold Iron & Rare Cold Iron
  • Level 6-10 Eaglewood & Rare Eaglewood
  • Laciniate-Conch Shells level 9
  • Precious Wentletrap Shells level 6
  • White Fin Dolphin (lvl 9)
  • Sea Horse (lvl 8)
  • Ratfish (lvl 6)

Special Shoals also drop (you must have a profession skill point designated to fishery skill to collect these items)
  • Black Pearl
  • Pearl
  • Coral

As for where the shoals are... their locations change after every maintenance so you just have to hold the alt key and look, then sail to the one you want.

Important things to know.

  • The passport area can be reach from the Collecting field conservator who is standing near the suburbs in Athens, Seville, Cape Town and Zhigu.
  • You equip the passport in the same place you do your sewing kit, scope or alchemy bottle
  • ***The timing starts when you enter but will STOP when you exit or sign offline.  You can go do whatever you want while online, as long as you are not in the passport area the timer will be stopped.
  • You can only collect what your study skill allows you to collect (the rules for collecting don't change simply because you are in there)
  • There are no monsters or PVP (perfectly safe)
  • Sources do not run out (Fish the same shoal)


Approximate Fishing Passport Drop Rates (Fishing skill level 120 & using Feinforced Advanced Fishing Net level 61)
"Special Fish" drop per hour
"Shoal" drop per hour
Normal Eaglewood LvL 613.46
20
Secondary Eaglewood LvL 710.85
14.7
High-level Eaglewood LvL 87.810.5
Superior Eaglewood LvL 94.86.5
eaglewood LvL 10 4.95.0
Rare Eaglewood LvL 102.4
3.4
Normal Cold Iron LvL 613.9
19.3
Secondary Cold Iron LvL 710.9
14.3
High-level Cold Iron LvL 88.411.0
Superior Cold Iron LvL 95.456.8
cold iron of the deep sea LvL 105.05.5
Rare Cold Iron LvL 102.6
3.65
Laciniate-Conch Shells level 95.3
8.5
Precious Wentletrap Shells level 64.9
6.7
Black Pearl3.4-NA-
Pearl31
-NA-
Coral34.3-NA-
White Fin Dolphin (lvl 9)--
Sea Horse (lvl 8)--
Ratfish (lvl 6)--
data taken over many days 2/5-2/16/2011
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COLD INGOTS (CIng) AND  EAGLEWOOD COMPLEX (EC)

It requires fishing skill to compound cold ingots and eaglewood complex.
Starting with level 51 to create level 6 CIng and EC
They are compounded from cold iron and eaglewood.

the following information is copied from;
Full Materials Production Guide:
http://forum.vc.igg.com/viewthread.php?tid=42596


Compounding/ Creating Cold Ingots


Ctrl+ a > on land tab > Smelting icon    

You must first learn the Cold Ingot Drawing before you can compound Cold Ingots.
You can buy the drawing from the Alchemist in Seville city for 1,000,000 silver coins.












Compounding/ Creating Eaglewood Complex


Ctrl+ a > on land tab > processing icon  

        
You must have "learned" the Eaglewood Complex Drawing  before you can compound Eaglewood Complex.
Buy the drawing from the Alchemist in Seville city for 1,000,000 silver coins










Eaglewood Complex and Cold Iron Ingot Calculator by Achmed42
Quote:
Delete the user code form the box and add the value you need. Once you have deleted the formula from one of the boxes, you will need to re-open the Excel spreadsheet to continue using the Lvl 12 Calculator.
EW Complex and Cold Iron Ingot Calc(1).zip (7.83 KB)




Experience and Skill

Learning the Fishing skill and stunts:

If you do not know how to learn a skill or how to buy stunts, please read

The Skills System Guide
http://forum.vc.igg.com/viewthread.php?tid=43062

Learning/buying Fishing stunts

The level of your net affects the level of fish you can catch/collect.
The most helpful stunt is probably "fishing promotion".  It will increase the load you ship can carry and transfers with the character and not the ship.

Fishing Skill points

When you reach level 31 you will stop gaining experience unless you make it a phase 2 skill at the skill tutor.
If you have already made 8 total skills phase 2 and want to also make fishing phase 2 use Fishing promoting book that can be bought from the item mall.

      

When you reach Level 100 you will again stop collecting experience points and need to buy a phase 3 promotion book.




Quests that give Fishing Experience:

Fishing can incredibly slow to level....
I suggest you do all the Ability quests you can while your levels are under 61.
Ability quests are available in the following cities when you have the following fishing skill levels:

City Fishing level
Alexander - Dredging Instructor   *Removed
Athens - Skill Tutor (Logistics and Production) Athens Dock (15.5, 78.6)
4-10
Seville - Logistics Instructor
Seville - Skill Tutor (Logistics and Production) Seville Dock (115, -8)
11 - 20
London - Logistics Instructor
Skill Tutor (Logistics and Production)
21-30
Dakar - Logistics Instructor
Dakar - Skill Tutor (Logistics and Production) Dakar Dock (31, 77)
31 -40
Maderia - Logistics Instructor *Removed
Maderia Skill Tutor (Logistics and Production) Maderia City (15, -25)
41- 50
LasPalmas - Logistics Instructor *Removed
Las Palmas - Skill Tutor (Logistics and Production) Las Palmas City (-41, 19)
51-60


Experience with out working
You can also gain experience by not fishing.
You can use a 6 hour experience scroll from the item mall or a 12 hour improvement tome from the Voucher Exchanger in Seville.
You must stand still or be off line for 6 or12 hours when you use them. (you can move but will loose any experience you might have gotten in that time frame)
This scroll will not give experience while chopping/timber-felling.  It can not be used with a double. triple or fourfold experience scroll.  It can not be used with a small, regular, or great blessed pellet.  
  


When you are phase 3 in a skill you must use the Phase 3 skill practice scroll to gain experience
Phase 3 Scrolls are also available in the Item Mall or at the Voucher Exchanger in Seville.

   

Tips

Don't forget to bring SP pots, wear a labor uniform (w/SP regeneration), wear jewlery with sp  etc...

[ Last edited by xanthian31 at 2012-4-6 11:34 ]
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Locations


Athens:
Sells Inferior Fishing Net Level 1
LvL 1 (Tunny), 2 (Sardine), 5 (Sea Urchin) Marine Products
LvL 1 Timber
L1 - Siebold's Cone, L2 - Lettered Cone

Alexandria:
Sells Inferior Fishing Net Level 1
LvL 1 (Anchovy), 2 (Sardine), 5 (Sea Urchin) Marine Products
LvL 1 Pig Iron
L1 - Keyhole Limpet, L2 - Queen Tegula

Beruit:
Sells Inferior Fishing Net Level 1
LvL 1 (Anchovy), 2 (Sardine), 5 (Sea Urchin) Marine Products
LvL 1 Cloth
L1 - Bull's-mouth Helmet, L2 - The Princely Cone

Istanbul:
Sells Inferior Fishing Net Level 1
LvL 1 (Tunny), 2 (Sardine), 5 (Sea Urchin) Marine Products
LvL 1 Pig Iron
L1 - Trumpet Triton, L2 - Chambered Nautilus

Venice:
Sells LvL 31 Fishing Net
LvL 1 (Tunny), 2 (Sardine), 5 (Sea Urchin) Marine Products
LvL 2 Pure Iron
L1 - Mantle top, L2 - Queen Tegula

Genoa:
Sells LvL 31 Fishing Net
LvL 2 (Sardine), 3 (Cod), 5 (Sea Urchin) Marine Products
LvL 2 Cloth
L2 - Chambered Nautilus, L3 - Cone-shaped Top

Tripoli: Offshore closed w/ December 14, 2011 Update
Sells LvL 31 Fishing Net
LvL 1 (Mullet), 2 (Swordfish), 5 (Sea Urchin) Marine Products
LvL 2 Timber
L2 - Chambered Nautilus, L2 - The Princely Cone

Algiers:
Sells LvL 31 Fishing Net
LvL 2 (Swordfish), 3 (Cod), 5 (Sea Urchin) Marine Products
LvL 3 Bronze
L2 - Queen Tegula, L3 - Tapestry Turban

Barcelona:
Sells LvL 31 Fishing Net
LvL 2 (Sardine), 3 (Cod), 5 (Sea Urchin) Marine Products
LvL 3 Timber
L2 - Lettered Cone, L3 - Imperial Delphinula

Seville:
Sells LvL 31 Fishing Net
Sells LvL 101 Fishing Net

LvL 3 (Cod), 4 (Mackerel), 6 (Sea Cucumber) Marine Products
LvL 3 Cloth
L3 - Tapestry Turban, L4 - Starry Carrier
Eaglewood LvL 6
Cold Iron LvL 6


Lisbon:
Sells LvL 31 Fishing Net
LvL 3 (Cod), 4 (Mackerel), 6 (Sea Cucumber) Marine Products
LvL 4 Cloth
L3 - Tapestry Turban, L4 - Comercial Trochus
Eaglewood LvL 6
Cold Iron LvL 6


Bordeaux:
Sells LvL 31 Fishing Net
LvL 4 (Mackerel), 5 (Salmon/trout), 8 (Seaweed) Marine Products
LvL 4 Brass
L3 - Pallid Carrier, L6 - Banded Tun

London:
Sells LvL 31 Fishing Net
LvL 3 (Cod), 7 (Sturgeon), 8 (Seaweed) Marine Products
LvL 3 Cloth
L4 - Linneaus, L6 - Ficus subintermedius
Eaglewood LvL 8
Cold Iron LvL 8


Amsterdam:
Sells LvL 31 Fishing Net
LvL 4 (Mackerel),  5 (Salmon, Trout), 8 (Seaweed) Marine Products
LvL 3 Bronze
L3 - Pallid Carrier, L6 - Banded Tun

Hamburg:
Sells LvL 31 Fishing Net
LvL 4 (Mackerel), 7 (Sturgeon), 8 (Seaweed) Marine Products
LvL 4 Timber
L5 - Natica tigrina, L8 - Cymantium Sarcostomum
High-level Eaglewood LvL 8
High-level Cold Iron LvL 8
cold iron of deep sea LvL 10


Oslo:
Sells Fishing Net LvL 31
LvL 4 (Mackerel), 7 (Sturgeon), 8 (Seaweed) Marine Products
LvL 4 Brass
L5 - Natica tigrina, L8 - Cymantium Sarcostomum
High-level  Eaglewood LvL 8
High-level Cold Iron LvL 8


Stockholm:
Sells LvL 31 Fishing Net
LvL 4 (Herring), 5 (Salmon, Trout), 8 (Seaweed) Marine Products
LvL 4  Cloth
L3 - Pallid Carrier, L6 - Banded Tun
cold iron of the deep sea LvL 10
Quest (Repeatable):
Happy Fisherman NPC (dock), 20 Seaweed; reward 1 Secondary Recovery Potion


Reykjavik:
Sells LvL 31 Fishing Net
LvL 4 (Herring), 7 (Sturgeon), 8 (Seaweed) Marine Products
LvL 6 Cloth
L4 - Linneaus, L6 - Ficus subintermedius
High-level Eaglewood LvL 8
High-level Cold Iron LvL 8
cold iron of deep sea LvL 10


Madeira:
Sells LvL 31 Fishing Net
LvL 1 (Tunny), 2 (Sardine), 5 (Sea Urchin) Marine Products
LvL 3 Bronze
L3 - Imperial Delphinula, L4 - Sunflower Starry Carrier

Las Palmas: Offshore closed w/ December 14, 2011 Update
Sells LvL 31 Fishing Net
LvL 3 (Cod), 4 (Mackerel), 6 (Sea Cucumber) Marine Products
LvL 3 Timber
L3 - Cone-shaped Top, L4 - Starry Carrier
Eaglewood LvL 6
Cold Iron LvL 6


Dakar:
Sells LvL 31 Fishing Net
LvL 2 (Swordfish), 5 (Electric Ray), 10 (Shark) Marine Products
LvL 4 Brass
L3 - Pallid Carrier, L6 - Cymatium pileare
Rare Eaglewood LvL 10
Rare Cold Iron LvL 10


Accra:  Offshore closed w/ December 14, 2011 Update
Sells LvL 31 Fishing Net
LvL 2 (Swordfish), 5 (Electric Ray), 10 (Shark) Marine Products
LvL 4 Timber
L3 - Pallid Carrier, L6 - Cymatium pileare
Rare Eaglewood LvL 10
Rare Cold Iron LvL 10


Luanda: Offshore closed w/ December 14, 2011 Update
Sells LvL 31 Fishing Net
LvL 2 (Swordfish), 5 (Electric Ray), 10 (Shark) Marine Products
LvL 4 Cloth  
L4 - Linneaus, L6 - Cymatium pileare
Rare Eaglewood LvL 10
Rare Cold Iron LvL 10


Cape Town:
Sells LvL 31 Fishing Net
LvL 2 (Swordfish), 5 (Electric Ray), 7 (Sea Snake) Marine Products
LvL 5 Copper
L4 - Linneaus, L7 - Murex haustellum
Secondary Eaglewood LvL 7
Secondary Cold Iron LvL 7


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Locations continued

Mozambique:
Sells LvL 31 Fishing Net
LvL 3 (Cod), 5 (Salmon, Trout), 7 (Sea Snake) Marine Products
LvL 5 Timber
L5 - Natica tigrina, L7 - Murex haustellum
Secondary Eaglewood LvL 7
Secondary Cold Iron LvL 7


Mogadishu:
Sells LvL 31 Fishing Net
LvL 3 (Cod), 5 (Salmon, Trout) , 7 (Sea Snake) Marine Products
LvL 5 Cloth
L5 - Natica tigrina, L7 - Cymatium femorale
Secondary Eaglewood LvL7
Secondary Cold Iron LvL 7


Suez:
Sells LvL 31 Fishing Net
LvL 2 (Sardine), LvL 5 (Salmon, Trout), 8 (Seaweed) Marine Products
LvL 5 Copper
L5 - Natica tigrina, L7 - Cymatium femorale

Aden:
Sells LvL 31 Fishing Net
LvL 2 (Sardine), 5 (Salmon, Trout), 8 (Seaweed) Marine Products
LvL 5 Timber
L5 - Natica tigrina, L7 - Cymatium femorale

Muscat:  
Sells LvL 31 Fishing Net
LvL 2 (Sardine), 5 (Salmon, Trout), 8 (Seaweed) Marine Products
LvL 5 Cloth
L5 - Natica tigrina, L7 - Dwarf Horned Helmet

Basra: Offshore closed w/ December 14, 2011 Update
Sells LvL 31 Fishing Net
LvL 2 (Sardine), 5 (Salmon,Trout), 7 (Amphipod) Marine Products
LvL 6 Green Silver
L5 - Charonia tritonis, L7 - Dwarf Horned Helmet

Bombay:
Sells Fishingnet LvL 31
LvL 2 (Sardine), 6 (Eel), 7 (Amphipod)  Marine Products
LvL 6 Timber
L5 - Charonia tritonis, L7 - Dwarf Horned Helmet

Sri Lanka:  Offshore closed w/ December 14, 2011 Update
Sells Fishingnet LvL 31
LvL 2 (Sardine), 6 (Eel), 7 (Amphipod) Marine Products
LvL 6 cloth
L5 - Charonia tritonis, L8 - Ptrynotus aparii

Malacca:
Sells Fishingnet LvL 31
LvL 3 (Cod), 6 (Eel), 7 (Amphipod)  Marine Products
LvL 6 Timber
L5 - Cymantium pileare, L8 - Ptrynotus aparii

Semarang:
Sells Fishingnet LvL 31
LvL 3 (Cod), 6 (Eel), 7 (Amphipod)  Marine Products
LvL 6 Green silver
L5 - Cymantium pileare, L8 - Ptrynotus aparii

Tourane:
Sells Fishingnet LvL 31
LvL 3 (cod), 6 (Eel), 7(Amphipod) Marine Products
LvL 6 Cloth
L5 - Cymantium pileare, L8 - Flame Horned Helmet

Quanzhou:
Sells Fishingnet LvL 31
LvL 6 (Ratfish), 8 (Sea Horse), 9 (White fin dolphin) Marine Products
LvL 7 Cloth
L6 - Chiragra-Spider-Conch, L8 - Flame Horned Helmet
Superior Eaglewood LvL 9
Superior Cold Iron LvL 9
eaglewood LvL 10

Quest (Repeatable):
Talk to the 'Helpful Physician' and give him 20 baskets of Sea horse.
As reward he will give you 3 Secondary Healing Potions.


Zhigu:
Sells LvL 31 Fishing Net
LvL 6 (Ratfish), 8 (Sea Horse), 9 (White fin dolphin) Marine Products
LvL 8 Gold
L6 - Precious Wentletrap, L9 - Laciniate-Conch
Superior EagleWood LvL 9
Superior Cold Iron LvL 9
eaglewood LvL 10


Seoul:
Sells Fishingnet LvL 61
LvL 6 (Ratfish), 8 (Sea Horse), 9 (White fin dolphin) Marine Products
LvL 7 Cloth
L6 - Chiragra-Spider-Conch, L8 - Flame Horned Helmet
Superior EagleWood LvL 9
Superior Cold Iron LvL 9
eaglewood LvL 10


Nagasaki:
Sells Fishingnet LvL 61
LvL 6 (Ratfish), 7 (Squid), 8 (Seahorse) Marine Products
LvL 7 Pure Silver
L6 - Chiragra-Spider-Conch, L8 - Flame Horned Helmet
eaglewood LvL 10

Edo:
Sells Fishingnet LvL 61
LvL 6 (Ratfish), 7 (Squid), 8 (Sea Horse) Marine Products
LvL 7 Timber
L6 - Tonna, L9 - Rooster Tail Conch
Superior EagleWood LvL 9
Superior Cold Iron LvL 9
eaglewood LvL 10


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2/09/2011
Added information on Passport area and Eaglewood Complex and Cold Ingot


5/28/08

Added Rare eaglewood found in Dakar Accra and Luanda

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OMG I do believe I am finally done!!
It only took me 23 days! and I wont tell you how many hours each day! f80
Let me know if you find something missing!!

4/27/08  10:30 PM PST

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Added color to better separate items
Black items are yet to be verified!  I Just got level 61... working on it now!!!!!

4/25/08  3:20 PST

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Added LvL 10 shark to Accra, Dakar. and Luanda
4/22/08


If you have any comments or data you wish to add, please PM me.  
This post is in the guides section so you can not reply to this thread.


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Awesome, the original FIshing guide should be replaced with this one. The old one is lacking so much information while yours appears to be complete.

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There is a link to this guide at the top of the old fishing guide.
For some reason no one ever sees it.

The "use this to help you find guides" link does take you to the old guide, but that thread was written over one year ago!   ...And the link to here is at the top of the guide... not sure what else can be done.

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